Shauta Marsh:  So Big Car's mission is bringing art to people and people to art. Jim Walker: Ultimately we're working through art and placemaking and design to support stronger communities and spark creativity in the lives of individuals. Jo Reed: That’s Shauta Marsh and Jim Walker. They are husband and wife, artists, and co-founders of Big Car Collaborative based in Indianapolis. Big Car believes art is everywhere and should be available to everyone, and for the past fourteen years, Big Car has been committed to doing just that. Working to demonstrate that artists make good neighbors, and that art is crucial to community vibrancy, continuity, and engagement. Simply put, Big Car works outside a studio to create socially-engaged art that’s rooted in a community with its residents as collaborators. It’s art that combines social practice with creative placemaking, and the result is a multitude of creative programs and events curated with the community and made possible by a combination of local, state and federal funding. Before we get into Big Car’s projects and funding avenues—I say, first things first: why the name Big Car? Shauta Marsh:  If you talk to different people who were part of the initial group that founded the organization Big Car, we all kind of have a different story. But I always refer to this Robert Creeley poem that in the end he says, "Get in the big damn car and drive--" I don’t-- I'm sorry if I cursed and there's not cursing allowed, but <laughs> that's what the Robert Creeley poem ends with. And then, you know, also some members of our organization say, well, you know, Indianapolis is a city that is associated with cars and racing, you know, and it has that history. So there were several different reasons, it was just a name that we liked and stuck with. Jo Reed: Okay—we got the name down---how did Big Car come together Shauta Marsh:  Big Car Collaborative started out in 2004 as a collective of artists and writers and creatives in the neighborhood Fountain Square in Indianapolis, Indiana. Jim Walker: Just outside of downtown Indianapolis. We moved to that neighborhood in 2000. It had its own little sort of downtown, like a small-town downtown. But it had gone downhill in a lot of ways, a lot of vacancy, had a lot of challenges, and so we decided to work with other folks who lived in the neighborhood to see what we could do to help support the neighborhood and also see what we could do to bring music, writing, visual art, and social experiences. Our friend Phil Campbell had taken this pretty large former dime store, GC Murphy, that had been vacant and about to fall down, and he turned it into art studios and galleries, and he was able to get some financing for that, and then we were excited about joining him on that. His vision was to just take a vacant building and make it something that could be used by artists, and so we were able to be part of that. Shauta Marsh: We had a gallery space. At the time, the neighborhood was struggling and we noticed we had an impact with our programming bringing people to the area and a lot of artists were able to afford to live in the area at the time. Jim Walker: Soon we started to look around and see what was going on in the neighborhood around there as residents too, and we started to think, "Well, maybe this stuff doesn't just have to happen inside the four walls of the gallery." Jo Reed: And that got them thinking that moving out of the gallery space into the street might change the way people looked at art. Shauta Marsh: People think a lot of times when it comes to the arts that they have to have a degree or some sort of training in order to appreciate it and look at it in the "correct" way. And what we aim to do as an organization is to kind of break down those barriers and ways of thinking that, the arts aren't just an elitist venture. The arts are for everyone. That, whatever way you are creative, you should continue to do it if you enjoy it, and there's real value to that. Shauta Marsh: Creative placemaking provides these opportunities to break down barriers, to get people making things again and comfortable making things again . Jim Walker:  We were partners with Phil on a thing called Masterpiece in a Day, and that was really to have visual artists, at first especially, working out in the streets, making their work within the confines of the neighborhood, then they were judged and they won prizes, but what it really did was it took the artists out of this sort of mysterious place and brought them out where everybody could just watch what they were doing. Shauta Marsh: Being out in a public space and setting up the public space in a way that attracts people to it and then providing activities to get people reengaged with the arts and enjoy making art again. Jo Reed: Masterpiece in a day was everything they hoped for—so much so that Big Car expanded it to other artistic disciplines. Jim Walker: We added in writers and musicians and had separate competitions that were kind of tied in together with the visual artists, and then we started working on an art fair and other elements to make it into a festival that was an all-day celebration of the neighborhood and the culture that we had there that was really starting to pick up, and the businesses enjoyed that and got involved, and then the same sort of thing started happening with First Fridays, so that we were open every first Friday, which started to be a citywide thing, and the activities of First Friday would spill outside of the galleries and out into the street, and these fairs would happen out there and people would be hanging around outside, and the businesses on the street would, you know, maybe make their month's rent in sales so that, First Friday and the festival and the fair that was part of Masterpiece in a Day were our kind of first steps to getting outside and doing things out there. Shaunta Marsh: I doubt that’s what we used for terminology at that point, but that was probably our first foray into placemaking. Jo Reed: Big Car partnered with local organizations and created more events to make the neighborhood a neighborhood. Jim Walker: It used to just be a parking lot, there's a plaza now that they designed and built out, and we would also have some concerts out there, and another parking lot around the corner, we hosted movie nights with the neighborhood, working with Southeast Community Development, which is the CDC for the neighborhood, and they hired us-- and the merchants in the neighborhood-- hired us to work on doing these movies out in the parking lot and having popcorn and trying to make it a more comfortable place. So we were doing this kind of placemaking stuff back in 2004 or so. Jo Reed: But as we know, none of this is cheap, and Big Car began reaching out to city and state arts agencies for funding Jim Walker: The first thing we received was a city grant through the Cultural Development Commission, and that was for working on Masterpiece in a Day, and that was our first city grant. Shauta Marsh: Our Arts Council here in the city is very strong and an excellent-- and have been supportive of small nonprofits like Big Car and helped us get to where we are today, where, yes, we received our nonprofit status in 2004 and, you know, so we've been around 14 years. We have gone from an organization that had an annual operating budget of around $30,000 to almost a million dollars, $1.2 million, I think last year. And the Indiana Arts Commission and the Arts Council of Indianapolis who have really facilitated that growth. Jim Walker: And then we learned about philanthropy and grants through foundations and things like that, and donations through individual donors and things like that Jo Reed: Big Car continued to apply for local and state arts funding-- Like most arts organizations, it took them years and a lot of experience before they applied for an NEA grant. Jim Walker: Our first NEA grant was just a couple of years ago, when we received, as a partner with the city of Indianapolis, an Our Town grant. So it was in 2015. So we were the arts partner in the grant for reimagining Spark Monument Circle, which is at the center of our city, the number one heart of the city cultural space and civic space-- everyday programming, human-scale programming, for people. I think that was huge for us. I mean, that was another turning point Jo Reed: While Monument Circle is grand, it wasn’t inviting and it was underused. The city wanted to repair the infrastructure, but it also wanted it to be the true center of the city. The city and Big Car came together and Spark was born. The idea of Spark was to make the circle more of a pedestrian plaza—a destination point rather than a traffic circle. With the goal of giving residents a sense of place so they would want to be an active be a part of the downtown community. To that end, SPARK made the circle into a giant neighborhood backyard—with ping-pong, music, bistro tables where people could chat, the opportunity to draw or be draw, paint, sculpt—games for kids, soundscapes, and so and so on. Over 11 weeks, Spark offered daily programming— over 300 programs and events in all.  The NEA contributed a $200,000 grant, and like every NEA grant, it had to have a one-to –one match.

Jim Walker: Spark on Monument Circle was a $400,000 project, NEA funding matched by local funding and city funding, that put us out in the circle every day for a huge chunk of the summer and made it so that we were taking on this-- not only this big thing with the public but also this big partnership with the municipality, and learning a lot about how you work with stakeholders. You know it was a huge learning experience for us, and it was very successful.

Jo Reed: Jim is being modest:  it was a massive hit for everyone: Spark brought more than 45,000 visitors to the Circle during its 11-week run. Businesses on the Circle reported a 20 percent increase in sales and people spent 85 percent more time there because of Spark. And Jim was quick to point out that even after the NEA grant had officially ended, it still had the ability to generate funds. Jim Walker: You know the match that we had for the project itself that year was just the start of the way that this leveraged funding for us, and going forward, we’ve been asked to do this kind of work in other places. We followed that up by receiving a Heart of the Community grant from Southwest Airlines with PPS, with Project for Public Spaces. So that was another way that that grant carried on, so that the program even continued the very next year because we received that grant and were able to carry on work in the same area of the city, and that would not have happened without the previous grant from the NEA and the success of that project. So there-- and there was a lot of interest in the city and there continues to be a lot of interest in the city in having this be a continued effort, and so our partnership with the city has become very strong, growing out of that initial partnership grant from Our Town.  Jo Reed: Jim Walker believes that the NEA, and now the Indiana Arts Commission, are helping to reimagine how artists work in their communities. Jim Walker: There's no doubt in my mind that the NEA's leadersJhip on placemaking and seeing how the role of artists can be expanded to support their communities and their cities in these other ways-- there's no doubt that that hasn't affected our local and state funders. The Indiana Arts Commission is just now getting more into placemaking and connecting with that, and so this year we're partnering with the Arts Commission on a creative placemaking workshop and statewide conference, to get the word out and connect with people from all over the state about what placemaking is all about. And not only the Indiana Arts Commission and the Arts Council, but also the foundations, so when people see that that leadership is coming on a national level from a government funded agency, then they know that that is a smart thing and an important thing. And I like to say that when you receive an NEA grant, for that kind of work, everybody who knows anything about grants, knows that there’s the highest level of vetting, and the highest level of thoughtfulness for federal funds. And if the NEA is funding placemaking work, that's an indication that that's an important thing and a wise investment of taxpayer dollars. Jo Reed: In the past few years, first Shauta and Jim and then Big Car itself moved to Garfield Park, a neighborhood that had great potential but that had seen better days. Jim Walker: We found this tube factory vacant, talked to somebody, and it was 40 thousand dollars for a 12,000 square foot building, and we said, "Okay, we'll take it," and we had some money kind of available from some work we had done, so we were able to just buy it, and then city funding through a community development block grant, and then some other funds that we raised-- we were able to open—painted it purple, and it was this bleak gray and all boarded up, so now it’s this purple and has this bright mural by an artist named Nat Russell, and that made a big difference, we were able to turn it into this neighborhood space that is an art museum and a community space.

Jo Reed: They called the space—wait for it—the Tube Factory ArtSpace—which actually is kinda perfect and they turned an empty store into a sonic art studio called Listen Hear.

Jim Walker: Listen Hear is a space for sound art. And so this is a space where you really use sound as a material for art and you have performances, art pieces that utilize sound, and then you also take sound and use that art out in the community to connect local businesses and to bring people together.

Shauta Marsh: There aren’t many dedicated sound art spaces in the United States. Oreo Jones, who’s a rapper and an artist, he’s our main curator of that space. And he has a sound lab that’s monthly and opens up to the community and allows them and teaches them how to use different electric instruments, like MOOGs.

Jim Walker: Kids really love that, and a lot of times they're the most open to it, a Oreo Jones and I have been messing with this noise box, and it's a bunch of gadgets and noisemaking things that are all hooked up, and contact mics that are all hooked up through a mixer, and then some loop sounds and effects, and we just put that thing out and let kids mess with it, and they love it, and they put on the headphones and fiddle with it, and we take that around to the library, or they come into the space and mess with it.

Shauta Marsh: We work a lot with children. They have so much fun with the sound art, you know, they love hearing themselves talk on the mic. And then we teach them how to use all that different equipment. It’s probably one of the most popular things is the sound art pieces with Oreo Jones.

Jim Walker: It's just giving people permission to experiment, and you don't know what's going to happen and that's maybe the most important part of what you're doing.

Jo Reed: And once again, it was funds from local, state, and federal arts agencies that allowed Big Car to create and program Listen Hear.

Jim Walker: The Indiana Arts Commission and the Arts Council of Indianapolis both support our programming at Listen Hear.

Shauta Marsh: NEA funded a project where we were able to commission artists who go into the community, to go into Garfield Park, and create sound art pieces.

 Jim Walker: We use social media for sharing that, and we also worked with local businesses to place sound pieces in various locations and created a tour. This is also archived online.

Jim Walker: The funding from the city, the state and the federal government for the arts talks about how important this is as part of life, and it shows us as artists and it also shows the people of our city and our state and our country that this is crucial and this is vital, and when we start looking at numbers and we start looking at the percentage of our budget that comes from government funding, it's not as big of an impact in some ways as it is to have that stamp of approval, because the government is very, very careful when it comes to giving that to an arts project, because there's been scrutiny of that over the years. And so it's not a small thing. It's a big thing and it's very important from the perception end of things, and it's also very important for us on the bottom line to have that support and to know that the whims of a particular person aren't really at play here. This is an institution that is making these grants that has this ongoing strategy and approach to their funding.

Shauta Marsh: When you receive a grant from the Arts Council, or the Arts Commission, or the NEA, it’s a big deal. It really legitimatizes your organization as a whole and a lot of times they’re the first on board for a project that we’re proposing, and it makes it possible, it makes it okay to foundations to support us. It gives that green light.

Jim Walker: Sometimes people think that art is about the artist, and in some cases that might be true, but I think our art and especially the art that has been supported by the NEA and the Indiana Arts Commission, that art is also about the community, and it's not just for them, it's with them, and I think people really should understand that, and when this funding is going towards these projects, it's making a big difference because this work this happening with people who aren't artists and are people who really can feel and experience their lives being enriched by this. So I think that's been the biggest transition in the way the funding has been used, and it's also been a huge transition in the way that artists think about their practice and their work, that maybe it doesn't have to happen in a vacuum; maybe it can happen integrated with the rest of the world, and be part of all the good things that are going on in the world and make a difference in that way.

Jo Reed: That was Shauta Marsh and Jim Walker—artists and co-founders of Big Car Collaborative in Indianapolis. Find out more about it at bigcar.org. And we’re linking to videos of two of the projects mentioned Spark Monument Circle and Listen Hear. Go check them out! For NEA Arts Online, I’m Josephine Reed--thanks for listening.

Music Credit: “Annibelle June”, written and performed by Abigail Washburn and Bela Fleck. Used courtesy of Abigail Washburn. “Rules of Fullness,” from ListenHear Sound. Used courtesy of Big Car.